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One day last week the way into Victoria tube station was clogged with people, and once I finally got to the entrance the gates were shut in my face. They do this occasionally when the station gets so full that there’s an imminent prospect of people being shoved off the platforms and onto the track. It can be some time before they re-open, so it wasn’t worth waiting. As I trudged off wearily in the general direction of the office, more or less reconciled to being late, this publication was thrust at me. I have the old commuter’s instinctive tendency to ignore everyone in my path, especially those who are trying to give or sell me something, but for once, perhaps because of the depressing circumstances, I took it.

You may have seen something like it: apparently versions of it are published all over the world. It looks pretty much like a normal newspaper, and many of the articles are straightforward, readable stuff: they may seem a little underpowered somehow, and the cartoons are profoundly unfunny, but it’s not like picking up the ‘Invest in Zambia!” pull-out supplement by mistake. However, a slightly closer examination reveals a special interest in the affairs of China, and a distinctly negative view of the government of the People’s Republic. In fact, the thing is published by Falun Gong.

Falun Gong is like an exercise system with mystical ambitions. Once well-favoured in China, it is now proscribed: some say that the Chinese government is especially sensitive about it because of the precedents in Chinese history for rebellions led by religious sects.

What strikes one most forcibly, though, is what a colossal waste of money and effort the newspaper represents. Of the commuters streaming past, I suppose one in ten took a copy. I should guess no more than half of those read any of it. Perhaps one in ten of those read the articles on Chinese issues: and probably one in a hundred of those changed their opinion. Not even one in a thousand (if there were that many) wrote to their MP or did anything else about it. Net impact on UK and world politics, zero. One of my colleagues probably typifies the general response – when he saw me with my copy he told me he hadn’t taken one because he thought it was produced by the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

If anything, the covert manner of operation embodied in the paper is likely to alienate people, and the vast resources expended in producing it raise suspicions. The journalists involved would surely do better to work as freelances and offer straight pieces on Falun Gong and its problems to mainstream publications wouldn’t they?

Original text from: http://www.facts.org.cn/puop/201108/t133081.htm


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Hu JIntao, the president of China, is due for a big welcome during his two day state visit to Britain: not only does he get to stay with the Queen at Buckingham Palace, but the town is to be floodlit in red, in perhaps a misjudged attempt to make him feel at home.

There are vocal opponents of the state visit of course. Also much in evidence in London over the next few days, though he claims the timing is a coincidence, is Chen Yonglin, formerly the first secretary of the Chinese consulate in Australia, who defected in June and has since been a vocal critic of the regime. Mr Chen appeared at what was described as a press conference in London’s Foreign Press Association, along with three British politicians. The press conference was sponsored by an organization identified only as the FSC Centre. Inquiries produeced the response that this was the “Future Science and Culture Centre” in Cambridge. You may be none the wiser, and nor was oD. But it began to feel like Falungong. And so it proved.

Now there is nothing wrong with Falungong putting its case against the Chinese government: they have as much right to do that as anyone else. But why the subterfuge? And why the video crews filming the audience, as well as the speakers? And why the still photographer taking pictures of everyone who asked a question? If Falungong advocates democracy and truth, as they say they do, how about a little transparency in their own operations?

Original text from: http://www.facts.org.cn/puop/201107/t131351.htm

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Falun Gong is one of the largest groups of Chinese facing persecution from the Chinese government. Because of the brutalities suffered by its members in China at the hands of the Chinese government, and because its unique role as a religious opposition group, it has enjoyed a great deal of positive press in the west. This in turn earned them a lot of good will among the western audience. In some sense, they have become the face of Chinese opposition in the eyes of Americans.

But are they?

There had always been some sort of rudimentary mysticism component of Chinese culture throughout its history. But for the most part it’s not different from other forms of superstition, perhaps just a little more “mysterious.” The Star Wars “may the Force be with you” really distilled it and westernized it. Although George Lucas did a good job of translating it as “the force”, the Chinese concept is really “Qi”, which means “air” or “gas”. But it is indeed that mysterious mechanism with which you affect things supernaturally. Interestingly, the era of the Star Wars, the late 1970’s, was also the beginning of the Qi Qong fever in China.

At the same time in the late 70’s and early 80’s, there was also a blind reverence of anything to do with science and technology. But the population was largely ignorant of real science. So the combination of ignorance, the belief that anything “scientific”is good, and the tradition of oriental mysticism, led to some very bizarre popular practices. In succession, we went through waves of injecting chicken blood, drinking red fungus tea, exercise of swinging arms, and finally “Qi Gong.” Each wave swept through the whole China like a craze, with everyone doing it – our family didn’t escape it either. Imagine that at one time every family in Beijing had a jar of red fungus for drinking. It was all through person-to-person network. We got the red fungus from our neighbor. The foreigners would never learn about this.

Remember here in the US we had the stock market bubble, followed by the housing bubble? This episode from late 70’s to early 80’s in China was quite similar and can be thought of as a “superstition bubble.” Each new superstition that replaced the old one was a little more sophiscated, and swept over more people, and at the same time went a little crazier. Qi Qong was the last wave, and Falun Gong was the apex of the Qi Gong wave, and craziest of them all.

Falun Gong actually came quite late on the scene. There were already many very influential Qi Gong masters with millions of followers when Falun Gong was started. In order to grab more followers, and beat out the competitors, Falun Gong had to go quite a bit further in their practices. Most Qi Gong masters only claimed health benefits, but Falun Gong talked about the salvation of the soul. So it got much closer to a religion than the other Qi Gong cults. It also employed more aggressive recruiting and propaganda tactics. Although almost all Qi Gong masters relied on some degree of deception to convince people to believe in their magical powers, Falun Gong’s propaganda practices reached the level of outright fraud. For example, in order to claim that he is the re-incarnation of Buddha Shakyamuni, the founder Li Hongzhi changed his birthday from July 27, 1952 to May 13, 1951 (the day that Buddha Shakyamuni was born). In recruiting new members, they relied heavily on “insiders” (firm believers who are willing to lie to convince potential new believers). One type of insiders were recovering cancer patients. They started to practice Falun Gong after surgery and chemotherapy to help recovery. But once they joined, they almost always told people that they were cured by Falun Gong, not medical treatment. Another type of insiders were former engineers. One famous case was a retired engineer Jing Zhanyi. He went to university campuses to recruit students and teachers. He told them that his soul was able to leave his body and examine machine parts that were unreachable by any detection equipment. This allowed him to make new inventions and got huge bonuses. These were not merely lies in order to convert believers. They collected steep membership dues, so these lies were the tools for them to get to people’s money. The founder Li Hongzhi is said to have made millions from donations of his followers.

But the damage was not limited to members’ purses. Members were told that they were protected by Falun Zhao and needed not to seek medical help when sick. One university student was said to have refused eating and drinking because he was practicing Falun Gong. When his life was in danger, he was rushed to the hospital for treatment. But after he got out, he did it again and had to be sent to the hospital again. This was repeated until the university intervened and forced him to give up the Falun Gong.

Another big problem with Falun Gong is that it spreads the message of hate in the name of religion. It teaches that homosexuality is abnormal and gays are evil. It brainwashes people into hating gay people. It did not change this stance even after it was driven out of China and had to survive among the “liberal” population of California and New York. Here is a letter to the editor on SF News Sentinel in 2006:

My name is Samuel Luo and my parents are both Falun Gong practitioners who have been hurt and exploited by this cult. Among the many harms done to them, I have been seriously concerned that they have refused needed medical treatment. In 2002, my step-father initially refused help when he had a stroke and he has suffered painful gout attacks unnecessarily for five years. He did so because he was being brainwashed into believing that Li Hongzhi, the founder and leader of this cult has the power to cure illnesses and taking medicine is counter productive.

The Falun Gong is also extremely homophobic. Li teaches that homosexuality is not the standard of being human, the priority of Gods will be to eliminate homosexuals and that gays are demonic in nature. These teachings are honored by all Falun Gong practitioners. Recently when I confronted my mother with these teachings she said that the elimination of gays is already happening. When I wanted her to give specific examples she said that all the natural disasters that happened recently are directed at corrupt people, gays included.

In my efforts to warn the public about the harmful and cultish nature of Falun Gong, my free speech was suppressed. Last year when the International Cultic Studies Association organized a program on the Falun Gong in which I was one of the presenters, the Falun Gong threatened the organization with a lawsuit and successfully suppressed our freedom of speech.

The Falun Gong is preying on the residents of this city I just want people to know that the Falun Gong is not what they claim to be.

The trigger for the Chinese government crackdown was when two scholars published an article on a newspaper in Tianjin criticizing Falun Gong as superstition. Falun Gong followers gathered at the city government demanding that the newspaper retracts the article. I don’t know what led to violence there. Falun Gong claimed that they were beaten. Evidently they couldn’t get it resolved in Tianjin so Falun Gong leaders called for a protest in Beijing. Then came the crackdown.

Their practice of deception and lie was moderated quite a bit after coming to the US. However, the lies are still quite plain (and sometimes bizarre) for people who can think for themselves. For example, since 2004 Falun Gong started a campaign asking Chinese Communist Party members to resign their party membership. The progress of this campaign is tracked by their website. As of today, they report that a total of 94,982,725 people have resigned their CCP membership. That’s nearly 95 million people. The actual total membership of CCP since 2003 is:

2003 67 million
2004 68 million
2005 69 million
2006 71 million
2007 72 million
2008 74 million
2009 76 million
2011 80 million

Now we all want to see CCP membership go down. But we cannot substitute fantasy for reality. Where is any indication of the 95 million people who resigned from the CCP?

Falun Gong is a group of hate-mongering, anti-science, money-grabbing, lie-spreading fraudsters. They are the Chinese version of scientology. If we mistake them for a force representing China’s hope for democracy, then we will simply lose our credibility in the minds of Chinese people.

text from:http://www.facts.org.cn/puop/201106/t130400.htm

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I refer to 2 sources before I want to make any stands.



I believe some of you may have heard of Falun gong or Falun Dafa. I saw these people like asking for donations or awareness of some humanitarian problem against the Falun gong people who practice it. Ok let me be fair. I believe china, treating these Falun gong people, is unfair, because they torture, kope organs etc. But let me make this clear: Falun gong is not a religious or spiritual ting: it’s more of a cult.

It’s this guy called Li Hongzhi who started it. He sort of make himself the main boss of this Falun gong thing. And it becomes a cult cos all those believing Falun gong muz duno some places chant his name blah blah. This Li Hongzhi guy believes the world is evil, and preach it, and only by following his Falun gong thing then u can u noe, achieve some sort of a spiritual ting. And you must do something weird one. And the teachings also like weird weir.

“The last of the 13 ”Basic Requirements and Points of Attention for Practicing Falun Gong” contain some eerie words from Li: ”If you are interfered with by some terrifying scenes or feel threatened, just say to yourself: I am protected by my Master (??? I am protected by a human who is not beside me??). I am not afraid of anything. You may chant the name of Master Li, and continue with your practice.” Although the statement is intended to reassure Falun Gong practitioners of Master Li’s protection while they practice his prescribed exercises, they reveal two realities about Li and his spiritual disciplines. First, contact with spirit beings (i.e., demons) is a real possibility when one engages in Li’s exercises….

aiyo. I don’t want to say too much lar. Later people come after me. But anw Falun gong is banned in Singapore too, because it is cult. It is this guy trying to make people believe in him, but in the end they may turn demonic, satanic. I hope none of my friends will turn to this cult. Seriously.

(Blogspot.com, October 17, 2008)

text from: http://english.kaiwind.com/puop/201106/t129622.htm

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Editor’s note: These are some comments about the article Falun Gong – harmless exercise fanatics or weird cult. An employee from Epoch Times raised an objection to the article, the author Udo Schuklenk and a student from Canada Ayesha retorted upon him.

http://www.freedomforchina.co.uk said…

I find this to be misrepresentative and misquoting the Falun Dafa. Words to this affect are also mentioned in the teachings: there are many men with female primordial spirits, and many women with male primordial spirits. So that in essence is what yin and yang is about, we are both male and female, some of us you see. So how could that be anything but equality for men and women! I am quite surprised that a professor could be so naive to put it mildly because many professors and academics study Falun Gong! I think it takes time to understand these teachings and to see their full breadth – read through everything because the teachings are vast.

August 19, 2010

Udo Schuklenk’s Ethx Blog said…

lol, nothing in your comment suggests a misrepresentation or misquotation. Then you suggest that we (i.e. my colleague and i) are ‘naive’ because other professors and academics study the cult’s rantings. I do note that your feeble attempt at addressing our concerns is to ignore anything at all cited w/ re to racism and homophobia. Are you conceding those points?

ps, having visited your site, I note that you’re a employee of Falun Gong’s propaganda outlet Epoch Times. Not exactly just an interested bystander, are we?

August 20, 2010

Ayesha said…

I always find it interesting when the proponents of a religion or cult attempt to defend the oppressive teachings of their religions by saying that they are misunderstood or taken out of context. I read the blog post and also the materials from the website owned by the Falun Gong. I see no evidence of out of context quotation.. rather, the questions and answers are verbatim.. How is that out of context? What is missing here?

The “teacher” makes appeals to heavens and Gods to make assertions that do not logically follow. There are circular references and stories that are completely inconsistent. Some of the sentences seem only to be a combination of strong and complex words that mean nothing. There is no profound lesson being missed here, http://www.freedomforchina.co.uk, you may want to take specific points if you wish to defend them and show how they are being taken out of context. What does it mean for women to be subservient, gentle and quiet for them to be true to who they are or who they are supposed to be.. and please tell me what is wrong with stronger women? or by comparison, weaker men… what defines weakness in a man and what defines strength in a woman? if strength means that one cannot be oppressed, told what to do, or easily manipulated then can you not see why the notion of weak woman is so attractive? why a compassionate and gentle, caring man would be classified as weak?

What is this about a separate heaven for all races? we are not sure about the existence of one heaven and here the teacher speaks of many heavens.. what kind of a God would create such distinction? I don’t think i like that God very much… and why would God forget the black race.. please do enlighten us readers here how we are misunderstanding the teachings of this so-called religion. Just because words like “cultivation” of truthfulness, benevolence, and forbearance are being used does not mean that the teachings are consistent with attaining the said goals or that the teachings are consistent with these goals.

The teachings of this particular cult are obviously dangerous.. they promote racial distinction not unity based on common humanity, they promote dispartiy between sexes offering privilige to one sex over the other and they are homophobic without reason and oppressive to those who are not yellow, male or straight…..

I am sorry about the rant but inhumane teachings of religions bug me to no end… and unfortunately, I find that each religion promotes some version of the same racism, sexism and intolerance towards homosexual population… it is not taken out of context, it is being seen for what it is and the fear of hell or God is no longer a way to continue oppression of the vulnerable or marginalized populations… if the teachings were humane, it would be obvious.. there is no mistaking humanity.. just like there is no mistaking brutality…

Would you like to be a “mixed” child in a world where religions like these reign? would you like to be a homosexual or a woman?

August 23, 2010

Original text from: http://ethxblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/falun-gong-harmless-exercise-fanatics.html

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Astute readers of our site, or others gifted with vision, will have noticed that I made a post about a certain cult recently that was not well received. Before we get to the meat, I need to come clean about something: I recently got access to uncensored internet and couldn’t find any FLG ads on the GIFC website. The Washington Post article I was working off said that there were ads on their software download page, which I found concerning, but I don’t see any advertisements, FLG-related or otherwise, when I visit their site myself. A rare WaPo error, or am I missing something here?

In any event, as a direct result of that post I’ve been conducting an extensive discussion with commenter J. Zhang via email about FLG in general. He, and others, have suggested that I am biased against FLG. In a way, this is true, although “bias” suggests prejudice without reason, and I do have my reasons. Since we’ve already attracted some of the faithful and people seem to be interested in talking about it, I thought I would rehash a little bit of our discussion here.

For the record — and please feel free to ignore this part when you’re accusing me of being a callous jerk and/or 五毛党 in the comments — I am not a supporter of the way the Chinese government has persecuted FLG members. I would love to see more evidence for any of the claims made on either side, but regardless, it seems fairly clear that terrible things are happening and have happened.

However, I don’t see that as being particularly related to FLG. Granted, they’re the biggest group that’s aroused this level of ire, but the government deals with dissidents, petitioners, and protesters of all sorts in similar ways. FLG members are hardly the only people who’ve been tortured and killed in the hands of the CCP over the past decade. High-profile dissidents like Liu Xiaobo and Tan Zuoren get lengthy prison terms, but the fate of the less-well-known can be decidedly worse. The persecution of FLG is perhaps more centralized and organized, but that doesn’t make it more widespread, nor does it make it more evil. The persecution of FLG is a symptom, not the disease, and there are other symptoms that are equally important. What the “disease” is is something impossible to answer fully in the scope of a short blog post, but in brief, it is lack of government oversight and lack of the rule of law.

But my problems with the Falun Gong start closer to home. Though proponents allege that there is “no organization” and “no leader”, there is an official website1, and the writings on that website come almost entirely from the group’s founder and the origin of their beliefs, Li Hongzhi. These writings, along with Li’s lectures, make it clear that the religion/cult has ties to a number of media organizations, such as the Epoch Times, which Li himself visited to give a lecture last year.

Ostensibly, the Epoch Times is an independent organization that strives to “present a diversity of opinions”. In reality, they are widely-known among China watchers as an FLG publication that frequently advocates FLG-friendly policies. Chief among these, and omnipresent in nearly everything created by FLG-affiliated groups, is the drive to get Chinese people to quit the Communist Party. In fact, Epoch Times staff members — operating in their official capacities — have held press conferences and rallies promoting the Nine Commentaries and denouncing the CCP. Yet there is no admission of any connection to FLG or to their advancing a specific political agenda anywhere on their website or in their newspaper.

In the case of the Epoch Times, this may not matter (everyone already knows who writes it), but this kind of bait-and-switch unethical presentation is typical of FLG-affiliated outreach efforts. Just take, for example, one of their recent cultural shows, billed as a celebration of Chinese New Year that was kid-friendly. According to the New York Times, horrified audience members, many of whom had paid exorbitant ticket prices, discovered a few performances into the act that the whole thing was a agitprop piece that contained violent scenes of prison abuse. Dozens, perhaps hundreds, walked out of Radio City Music Hall in the middle of the show.

I find this lack of transparency bizarre and concerning. I have no problem with FLG advancing a political or religious agenda, but they should not try to cloak it as traditional media or apolitical entertainment. This is dishonest and off-putting.

My bigger problem with FLG, though, is the anti-CCP political agenda they advance. Make no mistake, I am not pro-CCP; however, everything I’ve read from FLG is woefully unclear as to what, exactly, they want the CCP to be replaced with. This strikes me as a rather important detail. Chinese historians will recall that the corrupt Qing dynasty was overthrown in the early twentieth century only to be replaced by a government that was, for all intents and purposes, just as bad (if not worse2 ).

An excerpt from my most recent email to J. Zhang:

I think [FLG’s] approach of trying to destroy the CCP is completely useless until there is something better with which to replace it. Regardless of their treatment of dissenters, I think life under the CCP is preferable to life under warlordism again, so the CCP needs to be either (a) reformed from within or (b) overthrown by some group so exceedingly powerful that it can quickly take control of the entire country to prevent a disastrous transition period. Everything I’ve seen from FLG (which granted isn’t everything they’ve written) is pretty vague on what exactly they want to happen after the CCP falls, and I think it’s pretty naive to assume that the next regime would be any better. The problem isn’t the CCP, really — I suspect any party in a one-party state is likely to commit similar abuses, especially with no real rule of law or oversight.

And while I would love to see those who have abused power be out of it, that needs to happen under the right conditions. Given what happened after the fall of the Qing dynasty (and the geographic distribution of weapons and power in the Chinese military now) it’s not hard to imagine what could happen if the CCP were to be felled by a civil war or a coup…

In short: CCP policies have been a disaster for FLG members. But if the CCP disappeared tomorrow, that would probably be a disaster for EVERYONE in China, [FLG members included].

Anyway, I have probably ranted long enough. Readers! Begin assaulting my reasoning, character, and whatever else you can sink your claws into in 3…2…1!

About the author

Charles Custer is American, born and raised in New England. In college, he studied China quite extensively. His major was East Asian Studies with a focus on China, and during his time there he set departmental records for the most courses taken in-department, etc. Now he is teaching English in Harbin, as well as pursuing some other side projects. The blog is one of them; he is also an underground hip-hop artist with three albums under his belt, currently working on his fourth and firth.

(Chinadivide.com, May 19, 2010)

text from: http://english.kaiwind.com/puop/201105/t129001.htm

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In July 2009, my sister married a man from Taoyuan County in Taiwan and settled down there. In May 2010, after going through the procedures of applying for a visa, she went home to visit our family. All my family members felt very happy at seeing her, and so did my sister. She kept on talking to us about what she saw and heard in Taiwan. When we were all entranced by her stories, she turned to another topic and said that in Taiwan, Falun Gong practitioners spreading propaganda materials made tourists lose interest in sight-seeing.

One day in December 2009, she paid a visit to the Palace Museum in Taipei with her husband and parents-in-law. After that, they drove to the Cultural Exhibition Hall on Emperor Yongzheng of the Qing Dynasty (1723-1735). They parked the car by the road 200 meters away or less from the Hall, and got off. There they met several people, who appeared to be vendors, peddling some thing before merchandise booths. Soon after they got off the car, a woman of about 50 years old came up and gave them some throwaways. My sister was so curious that she wanted to have a look, but was stopped by her husband. He whispered to her: “Those are Falun Gong propaganda materials. I have seen that in many occasions and what these materials advocate are nonsense.” On hearing this, my sister did not take the materials. But it seemed as if the woman had made out that my sister just came from the mainland. So she didn’t want to miss the chance and chased my sister to give her several pieces of such plugs as Minghui Weekly and Epoch Times. Being a stranger in Taiwan, my sister was unwilling to refuse the woman flatly for fear of possible retaliation. Therefore, she accepted the throwaways for the moment and hurried to catch up with her family members. Once they bought tickets from the ticket office and stepped into the Exhibition Hall, my sister found a trash can, torn the papers into pieces and dumped them into it immediately. And many other tourists behind her did the same.

After finishing the visit, my sister noticed that those who distributed Falun Gong materials still continue their “work”, but they were certainly not very popular among tourists. Most of the visitors either dodged them or turned a blind eye to them. On the way home, my brother-in-law said: “Those people are really shameless and always annoy travelers by handing out materials forcedly.”

“We’ve read some of these materials before. We feel the contents untrustworthy because it is incredible for patients not to seek help from doctors. What’s more, they made Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party of China, aiming to wage political campaign. But we prefer peace and quiet and feel awesome as soon as seeing these stuffs. You just arrive here, so you don’t know the fact that there is few people practice Falun Gong in Taiwan, not mention those who trust it. You’d better not show interest in them from now on.” Her parents-in-law told her.

My sister also went to visit the Sun-Moon Lake together with her friends in March 2010. This time, they hire a girl to take them on a tour of this famous lake. On way to the spot, the guide carefully introduced the Sun-Moon Lake to us, including some ancient legends about it. The introduction aroused so great interest that they wished they could enjoy a complete sigh-seeing tour at once.

Nevertheless, when the bus stopped, a man in yellow waistcoat came towards them, waving the materials in his hand and keeping mumbling. They paid no attention to him, whereas the man kept on at them, attempting to put the Falun Gong propaganda materials into their travel bags. My sister and her friends still ignored him and went further into the scenic area. In the end, the man had to go back to his booth, tail between his legs.

Interrupted by the man, especially on hearing his words insulting the motherland, my sister and her friends immediately had no interest in continuing their sight-seeing. Noticing that, the guide told some jokes at once and made them happy again. On the way back, deeply impressed by the event, my sister said: “Sun-Moon Lake is so pretty that it is worthy of the name of Crown of the Bright Pearl. But the Falun Gong practitioners really brought disgrace on the Sun-Moon Lake.”

“Yes. Many tourists all complain about why they can do that freely. I hate them too. I have to clear all the materials and CDs left on the bus by tourists, and that’s really annoying.” “In fact, these people are paid for handing out leaflets; otherwise, they would have to do other jobs to make a living. Look at the materials they are peddling. Who care about them? People generally throw them away. If you meet with them the next time, neglect them and just treat them as the dead.”

Her words brought mixed feelings of joy and sorrow to me. What I am sad for is that Falun Gong, the cult which has ruined so many people and their families, is still rampant in Taiwan, a few Falun Gong adherents can still openly distribute leaflets and disturb tourists at scenic spots in Taiwan. However, I am also pleased to see that most people in Taiwan distrust or even hate Falun Gong. I wish I had a chance to visit Taiwan some day, when Falun Gong is prohibited from activities which spoil the tourists’ mood of sight-seeing.

text from: http://english.kaiwind.com/puop/201105/t127982.htm

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